Top 100 ballplayers of alltime! (imo)

[sportscardtheory]

17. Ozzie Smith, Shortstop, St. Louis.

 

[Jays_Cards]

I don't care who's list says what. In my opinion Musial is top 5 and Rose is top 50. I want to say Rose is top 25, but even I feel that's stratching it just a bit. I feel more comfortable putting him in the top 50. Other than that I don't care who is where on the list

Rose is definitely a top 50 player in my mind, but Musial top 5? There is no doubt that Stan the Man belongs among the greatest players of all time, but there is no way he is a top 5 player. Who does he beat out of Mays, Mantle, Ruth, Williams, Cobb, Gehrig, Foxx, Dimaggio, etc. I think Stan is firmly within the top 15, but not in the top 10.

 

[Derriz]

Past issues or what not, I find it comical that a guy can just post a few stats of some guy that played back in the 1880's and get all your guys' ******* up in a bunch. Seriously, you guys take yourselves too seriously.

Have fun with the list Bo.

 

[NYCrulesU]

I don't care who's list says what. In my opinion Musial is top 5 and Rose is top 50. I want to say Rose is top 25, but even I feel that's stratching it just a bit. I feel more comfortable putting him in the top 50. Other than that I don't care who is where on the list

Rose is definitely a top 50 player in my mind, but Musial top 5? There is no doubt that Stan the Man belongs among the greatest players of all time, but there is no way he is a top 5 player. Who does he beat out of Mays, Mantle, Ruth, Williams, Cobb, Gehrig, Foxx, Dimaggio, etc. I think Stan is firmly within the top 15, but not in the top 10.

I think he beats out Foxx, Gehrig and Dimaggio. Definitely Mantle. IMO. Hey, I'm a New Yorker and I'll be the first to say that so many Yankees are on the "Top" lists because they were Yankees first, skill second.


I'd say Ruth, Mays, Williams, Cobb and Musial. That's my top 5.

 

[jbhofmann]

I don't care who's list says what. In my opinion Musial is top 5 and Rose is top 50. I want to say Rose is top 25, but even I feel that's stratching it just a bit. I feel more comfortable putting him in the top 50. Other than that I don't care who is where on the list

Rose is definitely a top 50 player in my mind, but Musial top 5? There is no doubt that Stan the Man belongs among the greatest players of all time, but there is no way he is a top 5 player. Who does he beat out of Mays, Mantle, Ruth, Williams, Cobb, Gehrig, Foxx, Dimaggio, etc. I think Stan is firmly within the top 15, but not in the top 10.

If you go off the top of your head Musial probably doesn't pop up but browse baseball-reference.com for a couple of minutes and his stats are pretty mind numbing.

Baseball reference lists Musial as
5th all time Black ink
3rd all time Grey ink
4th all time Career HOF standard
1st all time Hall of Fame monitor

Explanations of each indicator can be found here: http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/leader_glossary.shtml#black_ink
17 times in the top 5 batting AVG (Only Cobb ties him)

 

[Jays_Cards]

I don't care who's list says what. In my opinion Musial is top 5 and Rose is top 50. I want to say Rose is top 25, but even I feel that's stratching it just a bit. I feel more comfortable putting him in the top 50. Other than that I don't care who is where on the list

Rose is definitely a top 50 player in my mind, but Musial top 5? There is no doubt that Stan the Man belongs among the greatest players of all time, but there is no way he is a top 5 player. Who does he beat out of Mays, Mantle, Ruth, Williams, Cobb, Gehrig, Foxx, Dimaggio, etc. I think Stan is firmly within the top 15, but not in the top 10.

If you go off the top of your head Musial probably doesn't pop up but browse baseball-reference.com for a couple of minutes and his stats are pretty mind numbing.

Baseball reference lists Musial as
5th all time Black ink
3rd all time Grey ink
4th all time Career HOF standard
1st all time Hall of Fame monitor

Explanations of each indicator can be found here: http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/leader_glossary.shtml#black_ink
17 times in the top 5 batting AVG (Only Cobb ties him)

There is no doubt that he is among the best players of all time. The Ink tests are really irrelevant comparing players across generations, however, because they measure performance relative only to a players era in which they played. The HOF scores are a better indication of career abilities measured across eras, but Stan gets a significant advantage due to the fact that he played 22 seasons. There is no doubt that he belongs in the top 15, but I cannot see him in the top 5 under any circumstances.

 

[NYCrulesU]

Musial is top 5 in my book. But that's the great thing about these debates, most are subject to opinion.

23rd All Time career batting average (.331)

28th All Time career home runs (475)

6th All Time career rbi (1951)

9th All Time career runs scored (1949)

4th All Time career hits (3630) - of which home/away are identical (1815 hits home, 1815 hits away). Amazing!

3rd All Time career doubles (725)

19th All Time career triples (177)

13th All Time career walks (1599)

13th All Time obp (.417)

19th All Time career slugging % (.559)

13th All Time ops (.976)


24 time All Star

3 WS rings

3 Time NL MVP

All Century team

HOF

 

[bodiaz]

99- Dave Winfield, OF New York.

465 career HR, 1833 RBI, .283 Avg.

Hit .340 in 1984
37 HRs in 1982
118 RBI in 1979
100 RBI in a season 8 times
25 homers in a season 9 times

 

[bodiaz]

98-Addie Joss, P Cleveland.

160-97 career record, 1.89 ERA.

Alltime best WHIP of .9678 will likely never be broken.
2nd best ERA of alltime (1.89)
Perfect game in 1908
No hitter in 1910
27 wins in 1907


Only played 9 years. Died from illness at the age of 31.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

1.Ruth
2.Gehrig
3.Williams
4.Paige.
5? I dont need no stinkin numba 5 :lol:

 

[RL24]

Musial

24 time All Star

That's incredible to me. Every time I see that stat I'm blown away.

 

[Bonds73]

Musial

24 time All Star

That's incredible to me. Every time I see that stat I'm blown away.

They played 2 games a year for a few years in the late 50's - was he an All-Star in 24 seasons?

 

[RL24]

Musial

24 time All Star

That's incredible to me. Every time I see that stat I'm blown away.

They played 2 games a year for a few years in the late 50's - was he an All-Star in 24 seasons?

That's a good point that I hadn't considered....

24× All-Star selection (1943, 1944, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1959², 1960, 1960², 1961, 1961², 1962, 1962², 1963)

Looks like he went to two all star games in one year four times.

So a mere 20 seasons worth of all star games.

 

[darocker80]

1. Barry Bonds
1A. Willie Mays

 

[Liberate Baltimore]

Is this MLB only? IMHO, no list is complete without the great Victor Starffin. Never heard of him? Google away.

James

 

[NYCrulesU]

Is this MLB only? IMHO, no list is complete without the great Victor Starffin. Never heard of him? Google away.

James

Great read. Thanks for that, otherwise would have never heard of him.

 

[ffgameman]

Some of the comments in this thread further show why cgilmo needed to post the "baseball board needs to be less hostile" topic.

bodiaz, you better include Sosa somewhere!

 

[Phish]

98-Addie Joss, P Cleveland.

160-97 career record, 1.89 ERA.

Alltime best WHIP of .9678 will likely never be broken.
2nd best ERA of alltime (1.89)
Perfect game in 1908
No hitter in 1910
27 wins in 1907


Only played 9 years. Died from illness at the age of 31.

Joss is one hall of famer that I really enjoy reading about. He was such an incredible ball player in those nine seasons (seven full seasons). Who knows, if he wouldn't have gotten sick, would the Cy Young award be called the Addie Joss award? Without sickness, he would have reached 300 wins no problem, but where would his ERA be? Would he have been the only 20th century pitcher besides Ed Walsh with a career ERA under two? So many great questions and unknowns.

 

[ROLLTIDE4LIFE]

If honus wagne ris not in your top 5 your nuts.

Also google oscar chraleston ***** league player. Maybe the best ever

 

[bodiaz]

97- Willie Stargell, 1b Pittsburgh.

475 HR, 1540 RBI, .282 AVG

7 time allstar
48 HR 125 RBI in 1971
44 HR 119 RBI in 1973
1979 reg season,NLCS, and World Series MVPs

227 IBB career, 7th alltime.