The Strasburg Superfractor Saga Takes a Razor Twist!

[BunchOBull]

I'm not a grab bag fan, nor Razor supporter for that matter; however, of all grab bags ever produced, BG and Razor have produced the best. I don't see any reason that this product won't follow the trend they've set in terms of graded material and cut autos.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/California/[/url]

Pay close attention to Penal Code Sec. 319.3.

I am not a lawyer, but from what I read that he would just be guilty of a misdemeanor. I am assuming that is like a slap on the wrist, correct?

And if I am right, I am also assuming that with the money he is throwing around for cards, he is not really going to be threatened by a misdemeanor.

Again I am not a lawyer and may have read that wrong.

Shep

In my opinion, it would be enough to get the product pulled. In my opinion, the misdemeanor is irrelevant, it's the fact that the product is illegal to be sold.

However, in reality, even if my opinion is correct, California has much more important things to do than bother with a nobody like this. Still, though, is it appropriate to do something illegal just because you can get away with it?

Again, I'm not an expert in California law and it's only my opinion, but this certainly looks like a grab bag.

Sure it looks like a grab bag like you have been saying since he started doing this. And also California has way more important things to do than go after this guy for repacking sports cards. If they go after him for this then I would assume they are going to go after people that dont come to a complete stop at stop signs, j-walkers, and lame stuff like that.

I also dont really agree with what he is doing and if no one is going to stop him and if others are going to buy this Shop at Home product(because this is really what it come down to), really what can you do?

Shep[/quote:207flnqd]

Talk about it on sports card board.

 

[shepsspot]

http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/California/[/url]

Pay close attention to Penal Code Sec. 319.3.

I am not a lawyer, but from what I read that he would just be guilty of a misdemeanor. I am assuming that is like a slap on the wrist, correct?

And if I am right, I am also assuming that with the money he is throwing around for cards, he is not really going to be threatened by a misdemeanor.

Again I am not a lawyer and may have read that wrong.

Shep

In my opinion, it would be enough to get the product pulled. In my opinion, the misdemeanor is irrelevant, it's the fact that the product is illegal to be sold.

However, in reality, even if my opinion is correct, California has much more important things to do than bother with a nobody like this. Still, though, is it appropriate to do something illegal just because you can get away with it?

Again, I'm not an expert in California law and it's only my opinion, but this certainly looks like a grab bag.

Sure it looks like a grab bag like you have been saying since he started doing this. And also California has way more important things to do than go after this guy for repacking sports cards. If they go after him for this then I would assume they are going to go after people that dont come to a complete stop at stop signs, j-walkers, and lame stuff like that.

I also dont really agree with what he is doing and if no one is going to stop him and if others are going to buy this Shop at Home product(because this is really what it come down to), really what can you do?

Shep[/quote:3umdcyu2]

Talk about it on sports card board. [/quote:3umdcyu2]

Played out, to be honest with you. All that does is give his stuff more publicity.

Shep

 

[yanxyanx]

I have sold Brian a few items for this upcoming product so I may be able to help. From what he told me he was buying, everything will be PSA 10 or BGS 9.5 and have a minimum eBay value of $100. Therefore, you shouldn't see any common Griffey Donruss BGS 9.5s or things like that. I sold him some Mariano Rivera Bowman BGS 9.5s, and we were working on some Griffey UD 9.5s, Kobe Chrome 9.5s and some higher end Tom Brady PSA 10s. Tough to say if they will all make there way into this product, but it's very possible.

Joe

 

[Bob Loblaw]

http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/California/[/url]

Pay close attention to Penal Code Sec. 319.3.

I am not a lawyer, but from what I read that he would just be guilty of a misdemeanor. I am assuming that is like a slap on the wrist, correct?

And if I am right, I am also assuming that with the money he is throwing around for cards, he is not really going to be threatened by a misdemeanor.

Again I am not a lawyer and may have read that wrong.

Shep

In my opinion, it would be enough to get the product pulled. In my opinion, the misdemeanor is irrelevant, it's the fact that the product is illegal to be sold.

However, in reality, even if my opinion is correct, California has much more important things to do than bother with a nobody like this. Still, though, is it appropriate to do something illegal just because you can get away with it?

Again, I'm not an expert in California law and it's only my opinion, but this certainly looks like a grab bag.

Sure it looks like a grab bag like you have been saying since he started doing this. And also California has way more important things to do than go after this guy for repacking sports cards. If they go after him for this then I would assume they are going to go after people that dont come to a complete stop at stop signs, j-walkers, and lame stuff like that.

I also dont really agree with what he is doing and if no one is going to stop him and if others are going to buy this Shop at Home product(because this is really what it come down to), really what can you do?

Shep

Talk about it on sports card board. [/quote:2yy0hzoe]

Played out, to be honest with you. All that does is give his stuff more publicity.

Shep[/quote:2yy0hzoe]

Sadly, there's not much to talk about. I openly don't care for Razor's business tactics which involve, in my opinion, screwing over and lying to their customers. I don't care for their level of innovation of repackaging, but I must admit that they do the repackaging better than companies that have been at it for years.

This product will certainly be interesting and having a 1:2000 or 1:4000 chance at a Strasburg superfractor is certainly appealing. However, I think this product will price most people on this board out of the market.

Razor is doing good business with this -- getting the free publicity from Beckett and turning it around into a product. However, thier business practices are not something I want to support and as such, will vote with my wallet. Other people will assuredly take my spot and voting with my wallet won't mean anything.

That's why we have internet message boards.

 

[vetsgt02]

I have sold Brian a few items for this upcoming product so I may be able to help. From what he told me he was buying, everything will be PSA 10 or BGS 9.5 and have a minimum eBay value of $100. Therefore, you shouldn't see any common Griffey Donruss BGS 9.5s or things like that. I sold him some Mariano Rivera Bowman BGS 9.5s, and we were working on some Griffey UD 9.5s, Kobe Chrome 9.5s and some higher end Tom Brady PSA 10s. Tough to say if they will all make there way into this product, but it's very possible.

Joe

wow so every card int he product should have a $100 value? That that is pretty nice. One question though when they say that are they judgeing value form BV or Ebay value? I mean some cards have a BV $100 they still would not sell open market for more then $50 or so. I do not mean this as a shot it is an honest question.

 

[cgilmo]

[quote="P_Manning 18":1fuiq7wr]How sad is it that before I even opened this thread..... I knew Id see a link back to Beckett from the OP.

I thought Beckett was a competitor yet constant links to that site are always allowed.... is it just cuz of the person doing it? Or can we post links to other message boards?

Am I reading this wrong? 13. There will be no spamming of other sites (beckett.com, sportscardforum.com, ect) done by a member of this forum.... Is this constant linkage to Beckett and the message board from time to time... Spamming?? Just want clarification.

No offense to Gilmore, but until FCB starts putting out price guides and publications, they will never be a competitor of Beckett's, or vice versa.[/quote:1fuiq7wr]


We are never putting out a price guide. We are never putting out a print publication. Both are relics in this day and age, and I would rather invest my time into a website that you can just as easily put in your hand with a mobile device.

As far as spamming other forums is concerned, there are cases where that rule gets ignored. This is one of them, because the INTENT is to share hobby news rather than promote a particular website.

Beckett beat FCB to the punch on this information due to the city it took place in. I beat them to the punch on other info, but only when events fall that way.

Beckett is a competitor of FCB when it comes to web presence and the sports card market. However we do not compete with the company as a whole because they do so many things that we don't and will never do.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="P_Manning 18":y5dnu52p]How sad is it that before I even opened this thread..... I knew Id see a link back to Beckett from the OP.

I thought Beckett was a competitor yet constant links to that site are always allowed.... is it just cuz of the person doing it? Or can we post links to other message boards?

Am I reading this wrong? 13. There will be no spamming of other sites (beckett.com, sportscardforum.com, ect) done by a member of this forum.... Is this constant linkage to Beckett and the message board from time to time... Spamming?? Just want clarification.

No offense to Gilmore, but until FCB starts putting out price guides and publications, they will never be a competitor of Beckett's, or vice versa.

Beckett is a competitor of FCB when it comes to web presence and the sports card market. However we do not compete with the company as a whole because they do so many things that we don't and will never do.[/quote:y5dnu52p]

Honestly, Chris, FCB doesn't compete with Beckett.

FCB is a discussion board with a few small bells and whistles. Beckett is a marketplace, checklist keeper, and marketplace.

FCB is head and shoulders above Beckett. If you had the level of relationships with the manufacturers that Beckett does, Beckett would cease to exist.

 

[cgilmo]

We do compete with Beckett on the online information side. This is very clear from my perspective and the people at Beckett would probably say the same.

However over the past year or so it has evolved into more of a friendly competition.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

We do compete with Beckett on the online information side. This is very clear from my perspective and the people at Beckett would probably say the same.

However over the past year or so it has evolved into more of a friendly competition.

It's hard to compete when they've got their level of contact and you don't.

In time, FCB will have that level of contact and Beckett will be gone.

 

[miguelcabrera]

why not start an fcb grading company or price guide? whats stopping you? seems like a good idea to me

 

[vetsgt02]

We do compete with Beckett on the online information side. This is very clear from my perspective and the people at Beckett would probably say the same.

However over the past year or so it has evolved into more of a friendly competition.[/quote]

I enjoy your tact but as far as I am concerned Beckett could fall of the face of the Earth they are a bunch of hacks that have no clue what the hobby wants or needs and they are not in it for the collectors they are in it for the cash. To me FCB is so far ahead of Beckett it is sick. FCB not only sets it up were collectors can share information but also makes it where we can advertise our ebay auctions and current projects. Last time I was on beckett you could get suspended for mentioning Ebay. You can not tell me your here for the collectors then ban EBAY from conversation love it or hate it Ebay is about 95% of the hobby right now. FCB gets that and Beckett is not only lost but delusional about themselves and our hobby.

*end rant*

 

[Pinbreaker]

As someone who has bought their products in the past, depending on the cost, I will probably buy a few packs..

Can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket!

For those that are saying they won't buy these.. Good!!.. Just makes the chance for me to pull it, even better!!

 

[miguelcabrera]

As someone who has bought their products in the past, depending on the cost, I will probably buy a few packs..

Can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket!

For those that are saying they won't buy these.. Good!!.. Just makes the chance for me to pull it, even better!!

how so?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

As someone who has bought their products in the past, depending on the cost, I will probably buy a few packs..

Can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket!

For those that are saying they won't buy these.. Good!!.. Just makes the chance for me to pull it, even better!!

The product will sell out. Whether the 3-5 people who have expressed disdain for the product buy or not, 3-5 people will rise up and take their place.

If you are only buying a few packs, you have the exact same odds as whether everyone on this board spends their life savings on the packs or if no one buys any.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

why not start an fcb grading company or price guide? whats stopping you? seems like a good idea to me

A grading company is a huge undertaking.

We have a price guide. It's called eBay.

 

[Casebusters]

As someone who has bought their products in the past, depending on the cost, I will probably buy a few packs..

Can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket!

For those that are saying they won't buy these.. Good!!.. Just makes the chance for me to pull it, even better!!

how so?

I guess he means more packs for him to buy

 

[Crash Davis]

why not start an fcb grading company or price guide? whats stopping you? seems like a good idea to me

You obviously have no idea how much time and money it would take to start one, or both.

Additionally, Beckett will never go away. People are delusional to think that will happen. While it's true that print publications may go the way of the black-and-white television years into the future, right now, and in the forseeable future, that will not happen.

Beckett moves hundreds of thousands of magazines per month. They have been in this game before most of you were born. As much as I am not a fan of their website, there's no denying the fact that without Beckett, this hobby (and this FCB website we post on) wouldn't exist in the fashion that it does today.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

why not start an fcb grading company or price guide? whats stopping you? seems like a good idea to me

You obviously have no idea how much time and money it would take to start one, or both.

Additionally, Beckett will never go away. People are delusional to think that will happen. While it's true that print publications may go the way of the black-and-white television years into the future, right now, and in the forseeable future, that will not happen.

Beckett moves hundreds of thousands of magazines per month. They have been in this game before most of you were born. As much as I am not a fan of their website, there's no denying the fact that without Beckett, this hobby (and this FCB website we post on) wouldn't exist.

I respectfully disagree. Beckett put a number of companies out of business. CCP (Current Card Prices) went out of business because of Beckett. The fine publishers of ... damn, I forgot the name of it, but it was a REALLY hi-end slick color baseball card magazine published in the early 90s... Collector's Sportlsook? and of course Krause Publications with Baseball Cards Magazine and Sports Collector's Digest, and Tuff Stuff, ALL could have picked up the ball and run with it had Beckett not done so.

Just because Beckett did something and changed the market doesn't mean that another company couldn't have done it better.

They will be out of business. Eventually. I have to believe their main source of revenue now is BGS, but as their printed media sales drop, their advertising revenue will drop as well. Frankly, I am surprised it's still utilized today.

 

[shepsspot]

We do compete with Beckett on the online information side. This is very clear from my perspective and the people at Beckett would probably say the same.

However over the past year or so it has evolved into more of a friendly competition.[/quote]

I enjoy your tact but as far as I am concerned Beckett could fall of the face of the Earth they are a bunch of hacks that have no clue what the hobby wants or needs and they are not in it for the collectors they are in it for the cash. To me FCB is so far ahead of Beckett it is sick. FCB not only sets it up were collectors can share information but also makes it where we can advertise our ebay auctions and current projects. Last time I was on beckett you could get suspended for mentioning Ebay. You can not tell me your here for the collectors then ban EBAY from conversation love it or hate it Ebay is about 95% of the hobby right now. FCB gets that and Beckett is not only lost but delusional about themselves and our hobby.

*end rant*

Weird, but when I click that view topic thread in your sig, the first three cards I see are graded by Beckett. Guess you are not to sick of them and dont want them to fall off the face of the earth to fast.

They are more than an obsolete message board!

Shep