Wow - how did this get to me?

[Bob Loblaw]

Actually, according to eBay's TOS - yes... yes, they are. SH is to cover the actual cost of material+shipping. That's why filing for partial refunds on S&H via chargeback is nearly 100% successful.

People do that? Seriously? A chargeback for a partial refund?

Jeez. I mean, I could file a chargeback for everything as he can't prove it got to me, but that's a slimy thing to do, as is a chargeback for postage when it was previously agreed to.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

If I were charged $1, and it came in a bubble envelope, I would have expected that the seller knew some trick to get it through. With all of the the changes in the post office, I thought it was conceivable that they actually lowered a rate, or eliminated a class of mail -- whereas a 3 oz package despite the size should only be $.61. I will admit that it takes balls to charge $3 for a $.64 package, but as many have posted and I agree, I knew the cost of shipping when I got into the deal, and no matter how they got it to me, I agreed to pay $3.


LEave it to you to find some alleged hidden alterior motive in a post that just isn't there. Just go ahead and "foe" me and get it over with. I've already "foe"d that Alex person and this board is much the better for it.

Zero ulterior motive. It was pretty up front on both sides.

Foe me if you want, but I really cherish your passive aggressive and bipolar forum personality...so I'll keep you at the top of my favorites list.

 

[A_Pharis]

People take this way too personal for some reason. This subject comes up, and people get hurt by it.

Look - if you know you're overcharging S&H on eBay.. that's you. Go you. Keep doing it. You may go on forever charging $3 S&H for <$1 worth of shipping and never have anyone say anything. That doesn't make you right.
It doesn't make you evil. It doesn't even make you a slightly bad person.

It just makes you a person who is breaking eBay TOS.

I look at S&H for every purchase I make, and I leave 5 stars across the board if it makes it to me with effort... but, yes - I give 3 stars if I pay $3+ shipping and receive it in a PWE with a single stamp.

 

[A_Pharis]

People do that? Seriously? A chargeback for a partial refund?

Jeez. I mean, I could file a chargeback for everything as he can't prove it got to me, but that's a slimy thing to do, as is a chargeback for postage when it was previously agreed to.

I've heard people say they do it. The only time I have ever done it was when I paid $4 for shipping, and it arrived postage due for nearly $2. The guy refused to refund me just what was postage due.
In other cases (rarely) I just leave 3 stars.

 

[VandyDan]

You obviously need another hobby if complaining about a couple of bucks shipping that you agree to pay is that big of a deal.

AH, that old canard! I must need a new hobby because I insist on getting my money's worth for services I agree to pay for!

It wasn't that big a deal to me. I noticed the difference in price, informed the seller (I even said, "no big deal, as I'm sure you ship a lot and can't keep track, etc).

I read the ToS, knew my rights and when he refused (and then ad hominem refused) I neg'd him. It was not a big deal. It was roughly 1 minute of my life.

Perhaps the seller needs a new hobby, since he made a big deal of keeping money he promised to use to pay shipping?

Look, this really isn't a big deal to me. I know I'm in in the right, but I don't exactly feel persecuted that some disagree. If you promise me/contract with me to spend $3 on shipping something to me, I want you to spend $3 on shipping it to me. You feel otherwise. Cool beans.

Also, this isn't a debate about a few dollars. It's a debate about some sellers making unjust profits. It's no different then them charging me sales tax (that I agree to!) and then just pocketing the sales tax instead of giving it to Uncle Gummint. It's about truth in advertising and honorable seller practices.

 

[VandyDan]

People take this way too personal for some reason. This subject comes up, and people get hurt by it.

Look - if you know you're overcharging S&H on eBay.. that's you. Go you. Keep doing it. You may go on forever charging $3 S&H for <$1 worth of shipping and never have anyone say anything. That doesn't make you right.
It doesn't make you evil. It doesn't even make you a slightly bad person.

It just makes you a person who is breaking eBay TOS.

I look at S&H for every purchase I make, and I leave 5 stars across the board if it makes it to me with effort... but, yes - I give 3 stars if I pay $3+ shipping and receive it in a PWE with a single stamp.

yes, this. This is the correct perspective.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Actually, it was more about how a bubble envelope got through with 66 cents of postage, rather than a debate about $3 postage.

At least, that was it's intent.

 

[A_Pharis]

Actually, it was more about how a bubble envelope got through with 66 cents of postage, rather than a debate about $3 postage.

At least, that was it's intent.

I actually understood that despite the turn it took. Like Mike said, it likely just happened to slip through.

 

[Exposfan]

AH, that old canard! I must need a new hobby because I insist on getting my money's worth for services I agree to pay for!

It wasn't that big a deal to me. I noticed the difference in price, informed the seller (I even said, "no big deal, as I'm sure you ship a lot and can't keep track, etc).

I read the ToS, knew my rights and when he refused (and then ad hominem refused) I neg'd him. It was not a big deal. It was roughly 1 minute of my life.

Perhaps the seller needs a new hobby, since he made a big deal of keeping money he promised to use to pay shipping?

Look, this really isn't a big deal to me. I know I'm in in the right, but I don't exactly feel persecuted that some disagree. If you promise me/contract with me to spend $3 on shipping something to me, I want you to spend $3 on shipping it to me. You feel otherwise. Cool beans.

Also, this isn't a debate about a few dollars. It's a debate about some sellers making unjust profits. It's no different then them charging me sales tax (that I agree to!) and then just pocketing the sales tax instead of giving it to Uncle Gummint. It's about truth in advertising and honorable seller practices.

OK. so you are saying its not ok for him to do that for $3. In that case, you pay $3. Then seller gets on a plane and hand delivers it to you. Are you going to pay him any extra to cover his cost??????? No, but its not OK for him to cover his costs, supplies, and labor cause you paid an extra when you agreed to thos terms when you bid!

 

[A_Pharis]

OK. so you are saying its not ok for him to do that for $3. In that case, you pay $3. Then seller gets on a plane and hand delivers it to you. Are you going to pay him any extra to cover his cost??????? No, but its not OK for him to cover his costs, supplies, and labor cause you paid an extra when you agreed to thos terms when you bid!

That's the worst comparison I have ever seen.
I would not pay him extra for hand delivering it to me. I AGREED to $3 shipping. Him fulfilling his end is providing $3 worth of S&H. If he were to go through your proposed delivery - I would just look at him like the fool he'd be. By me paying that $3 S&H, I am agreeing to $3 S&H... and so is he. $3 S&H as outlined by eBay's TOS.

Do I think someone's time, gas, etc is worth more than $3? Absolutely! But that's not how selling on eBay is intended to work, and if he wants to be covered for charging S&H to include gas/time - then he should be prepared to fight DSR dings/refunds or find somewhere else to sell.

With all of this "You agree to... you agree to..." the thing you are missing is that - by signing up as a seller on eBay - you are AGREEING TO their TOS. That includes S&H policy.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

As a seller, my life got a lot easier when I stopped charging for shipping. Helps DSRs and the 20% discount is nice.

With eB@y's skewed policies, you have to bend with them.

 

[A_Pharis]

As a seller, my life got a lot easier when I stopped charging for shipping. Helps DSRs and the 20% discount is nice.

With eB@y's skewed policies, you have to bend with them.

Ding!

I ALWAYS tell people this when they try to squabble S&H. Move to Free S&H!

(1) You get a discount as a seller.
(2) Bidders - a lot of times - make up for Free S&H with increased bid prices.
(3) They can't rate your DSR (Free S&H is an automatic 5 star ship price... at least I think that's what it gives you since the stars are greyed out)
(4) You won't have to deal with people complaining about S&H gouging. (whether it's fair or not)

 

[TBTwinsFan]

You obviously need another hobby if complaining about a couple of bucks shipping that you agree to pay is that big of a deal.

$1-$2 adds up real quick.

Buy 10 cards at $3 shipping each, sellers pay $1 per card to ship, there is $20 down the drain right there.

Not as crazy as it sounds.

 

[TBTwinsFan]

Ding!

I ALWAYS tell people this when they try to squabble S&H. Move to Free S&H!

(1) You get a discount as a seller.
(2) Bidders - a lot of times - make up for Free S&H with increased bid prices.
(3) They can't rate your DSR (Free S&H is an automatic 5 star ship price... at least I think that's what it gives you since the stars are greyed out)
(4) You won't have to deal with people complaining about S&H gouging. (whether it's fair or not)

Also, as a buyer, if I had the option of paying (example) $5 + $3 shipping vs. $8 dlvd, I am going to take the $8 dlvd every time. That's an extra $.06 in eBay bucks that wasn't previously there. That seller gets my paypal over the one that wants shipping.

 

[sawmillthug]

If someone charges too much for shipping yet you are satisfied with the card leave a positive but ding them on the shipping to 3-4 stars if you feel like it. Personally if I receive it in a bubble mailer and secure I just leave positive and go on. I know the going rate for card shipping is 2-3 bucks so I don't worry about it.

 

[gmsieb]

As a seller, my life got a lot easier when I stopped charging for shipping. Helps DSRs and the 20% discount is nice.

With eB@y's skewed policies, you have to bend with them.

Do to us get the 20% for just offering free shipping or are there other items to be met.

Greg

 

[A_Pharis]

If it makes it to me in a bubble mailer with proper interior protection and within a week from the day I paid - they could have used fecal matter as postage for all I care.
My qualm is with people who put tape over the writing on used bubble envelopes with nothing inside but a toploader and tape that take 2 - 3 weeks to get it to me.

 

[nyc3]

You obviously need another hobby if complaining about a couple of bucks shipping that you agree to pay is that big of a deal.

And you need to start a shipping business if you need to charge an extra few bucks on shipping on a card you decided to list. Is it also just a couple of bucks when you sell 100+ items and do this?

 

[VandyDan]

Yeah, this was the only neg I ever left for shipping inflation. And honestly, it was because both of the amount (around $3.75 discrepancy) and the utter rudeness and unprofessionalism that the seller had.

Obviously a difference in 25 cents is understandable and goes without notice. Around a buck, I start to notice and send a (very polite and non-threatening) message. If they don't refund, I ding the DSRs, and mayyyyyybe leave a neutral if the amount approaches $2. Beyond that, if they are also rude, insulting or straight up non-responsive, they might get a neutral. You have to really work to get a neg from me. I think I've left 3. 1 I regret (it was like within the first month of me buying cards on ebay and I overreacted. I even reached out to the buyer to see if I could scrub it). The other 2 were very much deserved.

 

[Exposfan]

And you need to start a shipping business if you need to charge an extra few bucks on shipping on a card you decided to list. Is it also just a couple of bucks when you sell 100+ items and do this?

Not everyone sells 100's of items, thereby costs are higher.