Thanks to a Member - I now own a SICK IP Pujols Ginter Auto!

[craftysouthpaw]

In Pujol's defense...he is kind of in a stressful situation right now, trying both to turn the St. Louis fans against the team AND make sure he gets him 300 million dollar contract. It's a tough life.

I am just so effing mad.

I agree with this i think they need to get him signed. This signing will not make me any less of a fan of the guy, i mean he does a ton for charity. All im saying is 235 for him not to use my pen and 175 for him to smudge a magizine and 235 (i think) for him to sign a hat in a blue pen exactly opposite of where we asked him to do it. Also dont ask him to sign a seatback or a pair of Rare shoes (250 pairs) becuase he will not do it.

Pujols on a multi-signed piece, for $235 is a steal. Retail that would be $400-500. Not only that, but this isn't an autograph signing with Tristar or Steiner. This was an under-the-table signing for a batting cage company. Big difference there, and as with any promotional signing not done by a company or a person conducting the signing who knows what they are doing, the expectations are not there.

You made the mistake of putting your item down first before specificing what color you wanted, and where. That's a rookie mistake. You also didn't go back and try to get a refund or anything, again another rookie mistake. Chalk it up for future events, but don't complain when it's partially your fault.

The bigger issue here isn't the "mistakes" made by the collector. Maybe he made them, maybe he didn't. The bottom line is it takes a total ***** to purposely smudge an autograph - particulary on a multi-signed piece - regardless if it is free or if it costs $1,000. What does it matter if the price paid is a "steal"? Or if it was an "under-the-table" signing? That excuses being a complee d-bag?

And to not switch pens on a multi-signed piece at any paid signing isn't much better. Pujols apparently refused several times even when asked. And people aren't going to feel compelled to argue with a guy that is larger-than-life and a hero to many (regardless of whether he should be or not). It is often hard enough for folks to eek out a "hi" in those situations, let alone get into it with the guy.

Human decency and compassion should compel anyone to show grace and humility. And especially for someone who holds himself out as such a big Christian. That behavior certainly isn't very Christ-like. I know I'm playing with fire bringing religion into this, but Christians are constantly denigrated for their hypocrisy and examples like this don't help our cause.

And finally, I am again amazed that you have managed to stir up junk in yet another post. Just when I think I've found a topic where you couldn't possibly take the contrarian position, you prove me wrong yet again. It gets really tiresome and I'm finally deciding to say something. So flame away. It is what you do best.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

One other thing, somewhat related:

Remember the controversy surrounding the 2010 Pujols Triple Threads autos that looked "off?" A bunch of people thought they were fake.

Big Mac's Pujols auto is a near perfect match to the TT autos. The IP auto is 100% real.

Makes me think a lot of people were dead wrong about the authenticity of the TT sigs

I have seen pujols autos from topps and other companys that look way off then mine. When he takes his time the difference is huge.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

Has anybody's sig changed over the past 10 years like Albert's has? Look at the 2001 autos, and anything since then. The "A" is never the same, the "P" changes loop size all the time, the "S" has morphed, too. Add a "5", now he puts a cross on there, never the same sig twice.

I'm lucky enough to have a pack pulled one, and two IPs--from 2002!


2002 IP

2003

His sit down / paid signings are like The habits of Longoria. More messy but you get why they are free.

Last spring training i saw him give this auto style put to all items on the one day out of 10 i was at.

Scribble. Some people dont care as long as they got it but after seeing what his auto looks like when its paid and time makes me not really concerned about wasting my time trying for him at a ballpark.

 

[predatorkj]

If Pujols smudges autos at PAID signings, he's an *******. I understand smudging an auto he signs for free at the ballpark - he's giving out a free auto, ruining the resale value is understandable.

But at a PAID signing? And refusing to use a certain color of pen for people who are giving you a ton of money?

Pujols sounds like a total dick.

Eh...even if its free I wouldn't be cool with it. If you are that damn worried about someone selling it...then just don't sign. I'd rather an athlete be straight up like that then lead you on and you think you are getting something nice signed just to have it f'd up. Biggio is the same damn way and I can't stand it.

It was funny the last time I got Berkman. It was at an I.W. Marks jewelry store and they were having an event. He wouldn't sign hardly and the few people he did sign for were freaking dealers. That's the irony. In any case...I started heading outside because he was leaving and if I wasn't getting an auto...I might as well too. He was parked right next to me and I asked him to sign and he tried to ignore me. I just told him, "If it makes you feel better...you can personalize it to me...I mean...it really is for me and I'm not selling it.". Sure enough he looks at me and smiles, waves me over and signs it on the steering wheel of his Ford truck and then off he goes. I was happy as hell but the whole time I couldn't help but feel I should have told him that not only did all the other guys he signed for were dealers but that actual collectors like nice items signed too. For some reason...athletes figure if you are trying to get a nice piece signed...you are selling it.

Now I have seen some of the top astros guys act a little better to people they see frequently because after a while they recognize you and they know that you might get a team ball or bat signed every year or you might collect auto'd jersey's or auto'd hats or whatever. Then they will go out of their way. But most of the time the kinds of fans who do this have been doing it for a lot of years(decades in some cases) and actually go to a slew of games and all the local signings. They are cool to talk to and meet and get to know because not only are they a wealth of info but they also bring along some very cool and unique items. But for a guy like me trying to work and go to college...its tough to make it out that much. Plus I do 3 sports. So I am not going to go to a signing unless I need the guy or have a new item for him to sign. And I've already mentioned in the IP section that I don't avidly look for stuff for a guy to sign. I have specific items I aim to get them to sign right off the bat and I usually try to call it a day. So every time I go...I'm not recognized by the athletes and I get treated like every other dealer.

 

[predatorkj]

In Pujol's defense...he is kind of in a stressful situation right now, trying both to turn the St. Louis fans against the team AND make sure he gets him 300 million dollar contract. It's a tough life.

I am just so effing mad.

I agree with this i think they need to get him signed. This signing will not make me any less of a fan of the guy, i mean he does a ton for charity. All im saying is 235 for him not to use my pen and 175 for him to smudge a magizine and 235 (i think) for him to sign a hat in a blue pen exactly opposite of where we asked him to do it. Also dont ask him to sign a seatback or a pair of Rare shoes (250 pairs) becuase he will not do it.

Pujols on a multi-signed piece, for $235 is a steal. Retail that would be $400-500. Not only that, but this isn't an autograph signing with Tristar or Steiner. This was an under-the-table signing for a batting cage company. Big difference there, and as with any promotional signing not done by a company or a person conducting the signing who knows what they are doing, the expectations are not there.

You made the mistake of putting your item down first before specificing what color you wanted, and where. That's a rookie mistake. You also didn't go back and try to get a refund or anything, again another rookie mistake. Chalk it up for future events, but don't complain when it's partially your fault.

The bigger issue here isn't the "mistakes" made by the collector. Maybe he made them, maybe he didn't. The bottom line is it takes a total ***** to purposely smudge an autograph - particulary on a multi-signed piece - regardless if it is free or if it costs $1,000. What does it matter if the price paid is a "steal"? Or if it was an "under-the-table" signing? That excuses being a complee d-bag?

And to not switch pens on a multi-signed piece at any paid signing isn't much better. Pujols apparently refused several times even when asked. And people aren't going to feel compelled to argue with a guy that is larger-than-life and a hero to many (regardless of whether he should be or not). It is often hard enough for folks to eek out a "hi" in those situations, let alone get into it with the guy.

Human decency and compassion should compel anyone to show grace and humility. And especially for someone who holds himself out as such a big Christian. That behavior certainly isn't very Christ-like. I know I'm playing with fire bringing religion into this, but Christians are constantly denigrated for their hypocrisy and examples like this don't help our cause.

And finally, I am again amazed that you have managed to stir up junk in yet another post. Just when I think I've found a topic where you couldn't possibly take the contrarian position, you prove me wrong yet again. It gets really tiresome and I'm finally deciding to say something. So flame away. It is what you do best.

Well my problem would be that whether or not I got a refund for the initial autograph ticket($175 in this case) the item is messed up. So even though you get your money back and its like you didn't lose that at least...now you are left holding a messed up multi signed item you already HAD money into. So unless they refunded you for the entire item...what the hell is the use? Basically you got Albert to f up your item for free at that point. Either way you got screwed. As far as complaining...I am not sure if it would work unless you could scare the promoter into believing you'd not only be able to legally do something but that you would ,in fact, do it. If they thought you'd take them to claims court...they might just be cool about it. After all...if one guy gets his auto messed up and pitches a fit...it might die down if taken care of. But if it happens to a handful of people and the promoter refuses...now they stand a better chance of getting their behind in the grinder.

Its why I say Tristar might eventually have a problem. I know they make the claim they aren't responsible but you are paying them for a service listed on the auto ticket stub. Even though their claims of limited liability are known...you don't sign a contract or enter into one just by buying the ticket for the auto do you? So if it does come out messed up and damages an item with some stout value...wouldn't you have a case against them? You take a guy like Mays and say you have a collector who has an unfinished but mostly finished 500 HR ball going and they already have all the dead guys who can't sign anymore plus a slew of others. That ball has a lot of value. So if Mays takes a sharpie to it, you get pissed off, and can drag a handful of respected hobby experts into a court room to explain how it devalues the ball and therefore its damaged property in the amount of whatever the market price for said item would be...you'd have a case.

I think my biggest problem with all of this is because honestly...most of its done because people are worried you might sell and item. Its freaking stupid.

 

[matchpenalty]

What a complete D Bag Albert is to smear autos at a paid signings. I know some players do it for IP and ttm autos. Not as much as a big deal with getting freebies.

Your lucky Big Mac McGwire yours looks sweet.. Then he screwed up your friends. Wow. Any news on the others.

 

[OscarOne]

Here is the other that I rec'd from the show...

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

Here is the other that I rec'd from the show...

What a ****** he is. Not bad but you should have gotten what i got for the money you put out. Still nice though!

 

[OscarOne]

Hey, thanks. This was a trainwreck, but this card made up for it mostly. Yours is still the best Pujols AG I have seen though!

 

[Eef97]

At winter warm up, (I didn't have a ticket), but one of my friends did, he was signing in any color and would give free inscriptions upon request. If by some chance he actually remains a cardinal, I am going to try and get a ticket at winter warm up next year and have him sign either a a&g or 8X10 and sign it with "The Machine" inscription. Most players were very cool with signing free inscriptions. Lance Berkman signed Big Puma and Tom Henke signed The Terminator. So that was kinda cool.

 

[AKA Coastal]

Damn, $250 a autograph. You think he would do it for free with a $300,000,000 contract on the horizon.

PS: card does look sweet.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

Damn, $250 a autograph. You think he would do it for free with a $300,000,000 contract on the horizon.

PS: card does look sweet.

No it was 175$ for a flat. I got 1

Heres mine. I was tellin him for the money he paid for 2 he should gotten the nice sig like i got

My 1

His 2.

 

[PujolsCollector]

Here is the other that I rec'd from the show...

Wow are you positive that is from the KC signing old and new style with no +5 that is a horrible signature. Pujols was also making circles instead of dot over the j on the free 8x10s for the kids and APS signing a lot of them. He signed mine very slow and took his time because me and him had sat and talked for like 5 to 10 minutes about how big of a fan I was. I do not know who had it signed but if he was not there when it was signed i would be asking a ton of questions becuase that autograph is NOT close to anything i have seen recently or ever for that matter. Im not saying that it is not authentic but if that person was to send that to an authentication he would get Not Likely Genuine.

 

[predatorkj]

At winter warm up, (I didn't have a ticket), but one of my friends did, he was signing in any color and would give free inscriptions upon request. If by some chance he actually remains a cardinal, I am going to try and get a ticket at winter warm up next year and have him sign either a a&g or 8X10 and sign it with "The Machine" inscription. Most players were very cool with signing free inscriptions. Lance Berkman signed Big Puma and Tom Henke signed The Terminator. So that was kinda cool.

Berkman's just happy he doesn't have to deal with all the Houston dealers now. Funny part is...he will see them every time he steps back into town for a Cards/Astros game.

 

[OscarOne]

Really? I trust the guy that got it...he sent me pics of his stuff...they were nicer items so the autos seemed better. Still, I can't imagine he would screw me like that.