Success rate from BGS on sub grade bumps?

[bradical]

To all you mass graders out there, form your experiences with BGS, what has been your success rate with resubmitting a graded card for a sub grade bump, in hopes of obtaining an higher overall grade?

Has it ever worked out bad for you, where you got a lower grade on the resubmission than the original grade?

I have a few cards that are just .5 off a sub grade from being Gem. The gold labels sure do look more appealing than the silvers.

Is it worth my hassle?

 

[mredsox89]

1 for 15 roughly. I believe I only had 1 that came back with a better grade.

 

[EricInCT]

1 for 15 roughly. I believe I only had 1 that came back with a better grade.

hard to say. every card i thought should have gemmed did indeed gem the second or third time around.
i believe i am 5 for 5 on $100 cards that i sent in. with that said my results are an anomoly not the norm.

first it depends on where the defiency lies......a horribly off centered card that received a generous 9 the first submission probably will never see a 9.5. on the same token a banged up corner receiving a 9 may may never see a 9.5. post a pic frnt and back of what your are referring to subbing and i can help further.

 

[jjj7880]

Never re-submit it with it encapsulated. Bust it out of the case, clean it up and hope for the best. If it is still slabbed and you send it in for a sub bump chances are it won't work. The best success for that is if you do it live at a show that BGS is at. That works better than sending it to Texas.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I have done two resubs...

An old label BGS 8.5 '94 SP Alex Rodriguez, and it was initialed "OLD LABEL - 9" before it went back to the graders by one of the elder Beckett writers. It of course came back a BGS 9.0.

The second was a BGS 8.5 Josh Flores Xfractor that I cracked out, and did nothing other than throw in back in a penny sleeve...it came back a BGS 10. Again...I did nothing. I didn't wipe the surface, nothing.

...grading is fairly silly.

 

[masonphillip]

Never re-submit it with it encapsulated. Bust it out of the case, clean it up and hope for the best. If it is still slabbed and you send it in for a sub bump chances are it won't work. The best success for that is if you do it live at a show that BGS is at. That works better than sending it to Texas.

A recent FCB Group Subber actually saw a Justin Upton 2006 Sterling Ref get bumped from a BGS 9.5 to a BGS 10 when it was in the slab!

 

[Topnotchsy]

[quote="jjj7880"Never re-submit it with it encapsulated. Bust it out of the case, clean it up and hope for the best. If it is still slabbed and you send it in for a sub bump chances are it won't work. The best success for that is if you do it live at a show that BGS is at. That works better than sending it to Texas.[/quote]
I would have thought so, but I think it's been posted that some have had more success sending the card slabbed.

I sent in one card a while back with no success. A few days ago I needed a few extras to complete a card card submission so I tried again. My submission actually has a couple of SCG transfers, a PSA transfer and a few from old BGS holders so it will be interesting to see how the grading goes. Of course I am not too optimistic since bumps and the like seem to always happen to "someone else" not me.

 

[jjj7880]

[quote="jjj7880"Never re-submit it with it encapsulated. Bust it out of the case, clean it up and hope for the best. If it is still slabbed and you send it in for a sub bump chances are it won't work. The best success for that is if you do it live at a show that BGS is at. That works better than sending it to Texas.
I would have thought so, but I think it's been posted that some have had more success sending the card slabbed.

I sent in one card a while back with no success. A few days ago I needed a few extras to complete a card card submission so I tried again. My submission actually has a couple of SCG transfers, a PSA transfer and a few from old BGS holders so it will be interesting to see how the grading goes. Of course I am not too optimistic since bumps and the like seem to always happen to "someone else" not me.

Transfers are alot different than sending them BGS graded cards already. Also, if you have one of the old bgs labels those were tougher grades back then and could possibly be bumped easier. I have only tried to do 1 transfer and it came back that it didn't meet their gem mint criteria. Here is the card that wouldn't transfer to a BGS 9.5 from a PSA 10

 

[Topnotchsy]

Never re-submit it with it encapsulated. Bust it out of the case, clean it up and hope for the best. If it is still slabbed and you send it in for a sub bump chances are it won't work. The best success for that is if you do it live at a show that BGS is at. That works better than sending it to Texas.
I would have thought so, but I think it's been posted that some have had more success sending the card slabbed.

I sent in one card a while back with no success. A few days ago I needed a few extras to complete a card card submission so I tried again. My submission actually has a couple of SCG transfers, a PSA transfer and a few from old BGS holders so it will be interesting to see how the grading goes. Of course I am not too optimistic since bumps and the like seem to always happen to "someone else" not me.

Transfers are alot different than sending them BGS graded cards already. Also, if you have one of the old bgs labels those were tougher grades back then and could possibly be bumped easier. I have only tried to do 1 transfer and it came back that it didn't meet their gem mint criteria. Here is the card that wouldn't transfer to a BGS 9.5 from a PSA 10

Not sure if my post was clear. I remember hearing someone (maybe J.P. though don't quote me on that) who said he has had more success submitting BGS cards still in their holders for bumps. On a separate note, my next submission is an interesting one.

 

[rainmanesq]

Crack 9s out + resub. If chrome, use toothpaste/windex/etc. to clean the surface.

Leave 9.5s in cases + resub, preferably @ shows

Going to try sub bumping some cards in my next bgs order (combo of 9s to be cracked out/subbed again + 9.5s subbed as slabbed to be bumped), so will see how I do.

 

[jjj7880]

Never re-submit it with it encapsulated. Bust it out of the case, clean it up and hope for the best. If it is still slabbed and you send it in for a sub bump chances are it won't work. The best success for that is if you do it live at a show that BGS is at. That works better than sending it to Texas.
I would have thought so, but I think it's been posted that some have had more success sending the card slabbed.

I sent in one card a while back with no success. A few days ago I needed a few extras to complete a card card submission so I tried again. My submission actually has a couple of SCG transfers, a PSA transfer and a few from old BGS holders so it will be interesting to see how the grading goes. Of course I am not too optimistic since bumps and the like seem to always happen to "someone else" not me.

Transfers are alot different than sending them BGS graded cards already. Also, if you have one of the old bgs labels those were tougher grades back then and could possibly be bumped easier. I have only tried to do 1 transfer and it came back that it didn't meet their gem mint criteria. Here is the card that wouldn't transfer to a BGS 9.5 from a PSA 10

Not sure if my post was clear. I remember hearing someone (maybe J.P. though don't quote me on that) who said he has had more success submitting BGS cards still in their holders for bumps. On a separate note, my next submission is an interesting one.

Your post was very clear, you said you had a couple of scg transfers, psa transfer and a few from old BGS holders. I was just saying that you will have a better shot at transferring to a gem than getting a card already graded by beckett to get a sub bump if left in case. Like I said before there is better success at it at a show where they do onsite grading.

 

[lisu]

I had 5 cards that were .5 away reviewed at a show. I think 2 of them got bumped. They were obviously wrong though (like a 8.5 centering that should have been a 9.5 centering). Also, I've had some guy buy one of my 9 slabs and submit it for review and it got bumped.

 

[leatherman]

I have only tried to do 1 transfer and it came back that it didn't meet their gem mint criteria. Here is the card that wouldn't transfer to a BGS 9.5 from a PSA 10

I don't remember if I sold this to you, or if you bought it from the buyer I sold it to. Either way, when I sold it, I told the buyer to NEVER crack this card from the holder, because it was way overgraded due to the upper right corner on the back of the card. I kept the scan, in case it was trimmed one day (sorry it's so big, but it needed to be to see the damage):

 

[jjj7880]

Yeah I bought it from you a very long time ago. I remember you telling me not to bust it out. I tried to send it to bgs for a cross over but it didn't work =(

 

[bradical]

I am definitely not going to attempt cracking the slabs. I don't want to risk damaging the cards, so I will probably just resubmit them as-is, if I decide to do the sub bump.

These are the two cards:

 

[EricInCT]

I am definitely not going to attempt cracking the slabs. I don't want to risk damaging the cards, so I will probably just resubmit them as-is, if I decide to do the sub bump.

These are the two cards:

I always crarck them open. Takes 6 seconds and it is painless done correctly.

I can't see these pics.

 

[EricInCT]

I am definitely not going to attempt cracking the slabs. I don't want to risk damaging the cards, so I will probably just resubmit them as-is, if I decide to do the sub bump.

These are the two cards:

I always crarck them open. Takes 6 seconds and it is painless done correctly.

I can't see these pics.

I can see the pics now.....IMO that is a complete waste of time to resub either one.

 

[Buynhisellnlow]

I am definitely not going to attempt cracking the slabs. I don't want to risk damaging the cards, so I will probably just resubmit them as-is, if I decide to do the sub bump.

These are the two cards:

I always crarck them open. Takes 6 seconds and it is painless done correctly.

I can't see these pics.

Hey man, what's up? What method do you use to crack your cases open? I use vice grips and a screw driver but I'm always interested to hear how others are doing it to see if there is a better way.

Thanks,
Jason

 

[bradical]

IMO that is a complete waste of time to resub either one.

Go on....

 

[mredsox89]

IMO that is a complete waste of time to resub either one.

Go on....

The Harper is a long way from getting to the 9.5 grade. The Santana is only .5 points away, so it could be worth a resub, but as Eric said, I would crack it out and submit it again.